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Засланный казачок и демократия...
mkarev

    Хорошая вещь этот Wikileaks. Напомню, что Петр Порошенко проходит в американских документах под творческим псевдонимом "наш украинский инсайдер", то бишь "крот". Не сказать еще хужей. Вопрос же не в том, прессовал ли дядя Петя пастора Шлага Турчинова или нет. А то в том, что как минимум с 2006 года он был на подкорме у американского посла (пресловутый Госдеп). То есть, во-первых, часть тех самых $5 млрд потраченных США на "развитие демократии в Украине" осела в карманах нынешнего президента Украины. Чем не развитие? И эти люди нас обвиняли, что мы завербовали Трампа! Я даже не буду спрашивать за сколько долларов в минуту миллиардер Трамп работает на Путина, пусть наши либералы считают во сколько это обходится российскому налогоплательщику. А во-вторых, как недавно сказала мадам Райс, США не занимаются распространением демократии,США заботятся о своих интересах и безопасности.

    Надеюсь, понятно, что никакой разницы между Хусейном, Каддафи и Януковичем в этом смысле нет? При том, что Янукович – барахло, а Каддафи – мужик. Понятно, что Лиза озвучила истинное и непреходящее содержание всей внешней политики США, как минимум, в последние два десятилетия? Понятно, что $5 млрд на Украине потрачено не на демократию, а на реализацию американских интересов в регионе? Теперь даже жирафу понятно, кто являлся одним из проводников этих интересов. Петр Алексеевич Порошенко. Пацан шел к успеху, и дошел! Это 100-% агент влияния США. Что Темер в Бразилии, что Порошенко на Украине. И сколько таких красивых по всему свету? Тенденция однако...

  Чтобы злые языки не обвиняли автора в якобы некорректной экстраполяции (переваливании с больной головы на здоровую), вот что сказала Кондолизонька по поводу Украины в своем недавнем интервью. Она ж не просто балабонит, она же книжку написала "Демократия: долгий путь к свободе". Так, вот по мнению Лизы, "Обычно распространение демократии не столь драматично... Это значит пытаться помочь украинцам справиться с самыми трудными обстоятельствами: соседом, который постоянно пытается расчленить [Украину], которая пытается найти свой собственный путь к идентичности и к свободе"

But democracy promotion is usually not that dramatic. ... It means trying to help the Ukrainians deal with the most difficult circumstances: A neighbor that is constantly trying to dismember it as it’s trying to find its own way to both identity and to liberty.

    На Украине совсем не драматично, подумаешь, сожгли людей в Одессе, подумаешь, каждый день обстреливают Донбасс из артиллерийских орудий. То ли дело в Сирии Асад лютует, так сразу Томагавками его по башке. А тут мелочь, издержки, главное, чтобы демократия наступила. Ой, то есть чтобы американской безопасности ничего не угрожало. А что ей угрожало, спросите? Как что?! Интеграция России и Украины, даже намек на эту интеграцию, всего лишь намек!

    Итого в сухом остатке. Петр Порошенко, обстреливая Донбасс и Луганщину, реализует интересы американской безопасности. И это не домыслы, это факт подтвержденный американцами.
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 KIEV 001706

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/28/2016
TAGS: PHUM, PGOV, PINR, SOCI, UP
SUBJECT: UKRAINE: OUR UKRAINE INSIDER POROSHENKO ON RADA
MAJORITY COALITION TALKS, TYMOSHENKO

REF: A. KIEV 1531

B. KIEV 1663

Classified By: Ambassador for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

Summary
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1. (C) During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our
Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko emphatically denied he
was using his influence with the Prosecutor General to put
pressure on Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr Turchynov (refs A
and B)
. Coalition talks with the Tymoshenko Bloc (BYuT) were
continuing, but there was no progress to report; President
Yushchenko still seemed unwilling to accept Tymoshenko as
prime minister and was "listening" to influential advocates
of cooperation with the Party of Regions. Poroshenko claimed
that he was personally opposed to an "Orange-Blue" pairing.
Poroshenko related that he had spoken at length with
Tymoshenko on April 27; she had sought, and then spurned, his
assistance in forming a BYuT-OU coalition in the Kiev city
council. Poroshenko confided that he had spoken with
Tymoshenko during the Orthodox Easter weekend (April 22-23);
she had called him to ask "what he wanted" in return for his
support for her serving again as PM. Poroshenko said he had
replied that he wanted her to be more flexible and less
high-handed in the coalition talks. Poroshenko groused that
Tymoshenko could not be trusted, stressing that she was not
candid and not "principled." It was very possible,
Poroshenko warned, that there could be a crisis scenario in
which Tymoshenko and Yushchenko simply could not get a
coalition deal done. End summary.

Poroshenko: Denies Pressuring Turchynov...
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2. (C) During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our
Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko denied that he was
behind Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko's recent
decision to issue an arrest warrant for Tymoshenko lieutenant
Oleksandr Turchynov (ref A). Poroshenko claimed he had not
spoken with Medvedko "for three or four months"; informally,
Poroshenko had heard that the PG's office did not want to
actually arrest Turchynov, but simply question him about the
alleged destruction of SBU files on organized crime figure
Seymon Mogilievich. Poroshenko added that he thought
Turchynov was innocent; the files had been destroyed by
Turchynov's then-deputy at the SBU/now Tymoshenko Bloc
MP-elect, Andriy Kozhemyakin. Poroshenko protested that he
had "no motivation" to put pressure on Turchynov (ref B).

...Offers Version of Latest Coalition Talks...
--------------------------------------------- -

3. (C) Poroshenko said that the new Rada would likely convene
after May 20. He noted that coalition talks with Bloc
Tymoshenko (BYuT) were continuing, but there was no progress
to report. Poroshenko had spoken briefly with President
Yushchenko following an Orthodox Easter (April 23) church
service, and Yushchenko "still did not seem ready" to accept
Tymoshenko as an Orange coalition prime minister. As for the
prospect of an Orange-Blue pairing between OU and the Party
of Regions, Poroshenko claimed that he was "90 percent
certain" he would vote against such a deal; however,
Yushchenko, listening to the whispers of advisers like Prime
Minister Yekhanurov, seemed "more ready than I am" to form a
coalition with Regions. Poroshenko added that he had spoken
on April 27 with Party of Regions leader Viktor Yanukovych
about the possibility of OU cooperation with Regions at the
local level.

...Provides Details on Phone Conversations with Tymoshenko...
--------------------------------------------- ----------------

4. (C) Poroshenko also related that he had spoken at length
on April 27 with Tymoshenko, who sought his help in building
an OU-BYuT coalition in the Kiev city council. Poroshenko
said he had met with Tymoshenko's emissaries and agreed to
support BYuT's preferences for positions on the council and
in Kiev's district governments. Following those discussions,
Tymoshenko had called Poroshenko to abruptly declare that
BYuT no longer needed to work with OU; BYuT candidates did
not need OU's help to secure their positions -- a prediction
that Poroshenko said turned out to be wrong.

...And (Again) Emphasizes that Tymoshenko Cannot be Trusted
--------------------------------------------- --------------

5. (C) Confiding to Ambassador that he had also spoken with
Tymoshenko during Orthodox Easter weekend (April 22-23),
Poroshenko complained that Tymoshenko was getting

KIEV 00001706 002 OF 002


increasingly difficult to deal with. She had called him to
ask "what he wanted" in return for supporting an Orange
coalition with her as prime minister. Poroshenko had replied
that "what he wanted" was for her to be more flexible and
"not issue ultimatums" during the coalition talks, as her
high-handedness was senselessly antagonizing key OU players.
Repeating a familiar refrain, Poroshenko stressed that
Tymoshenko could not be trusted; she was not candid and was
not a "principled" person. It was "very possible,"
Poroshenko warned, that there would be a crisis scenario in
which Tymoshenko and Yushchenko could not get a coalition
deal done. After speaking with Tymoshenko, it was clear that
she "did not trust" OU, Poroshenko said. And when there is
no trust, he added, "it is hard to get things done."

Comment
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6. (C) As with much of what we are hearing about the
motivations, goals, characters, etc. of the various "other
sides" in the majority coalition talks, Poroshenko's claims
about his arch-nemesis Tymoshenko and his protestations of
innocence re PG moves against Tymoshenko lieutenant Turchynov
have to be taken with a large grain of salt. But this grain
may be larger than most of the others. While we have no
proof in hand, too many interlocutors point to Poroshenko as
one of OU's leading proponents of a coalition with Regions to
simply believe he would be at most a reluctant follower were
Yushchenko and Yekhanurov to take the party that direction.

7. (U) Visit Embassy Kiev's classified website at
www.state.sgov.gov/p/eur/kiev.
Herbst



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